Well Microsoft made a decent move in having NBC use the Silverlight platform to view the footage on the Olympics in a fairly RIA manner. It was also a shrewed move to increase the Silverlight install base at the same time. All good marketing moves. MS certainly is living proof that if you market something hard enough, it’ll become the defacto standard. certainly Reuters are reporting the battle as being on again.
Adobe… WAKE UP! This could have been put to bed a long time ago. This is not about who’s platform is the best. Flash is clearly the best. It’s about who you tell. Perception is 9/10ths of reality. I used to be a Systems Manager a long time ago. I worked on DEC equipment (big servers), who were then bought put by HP and then became Compaq. The servers in question were Alpha servers and the OS was VMS.
VMS was an incredibly powerful OS that never had and to this day never has, been hacked. It has no viruses and it is one of, if not THE fastest OS out there. It’s system language, DCL, was very powerful and incredibly English like. It is highly redundant and basically wipes it’s ass with any other OS on the planet. It was used heavily by the military and Banking sectors who needed the reliability, speed and assured security it offered. I bet very few of you are sitting there right now going “Oh yes, I remember VMS”. There’s a reason for that. DEC chose a stealth marketing strategy, or at least were stupid or arrogant enough to believe that the strength of their OS would sell it self. Well it did sell itself, to the tech. staff who had to use it, but they aren’t the ones who hold the purse strings. I’ll say that again, THEY AREN’T THE ONES WHO HOLD THE PURSE STRINGS! As a result, when HP bought DEC out, they didn’t even know about the jewel of an OS they had inherited and so they didn’t improve support, they, slowly phased it out.
VMS was so good in it’s own right, that Microsoft head hunted VMS system engineers specifically, to help them create a PC OS version of it. You all will know it as Windows NT. However, NT had to suffer from the fact that it ran on PCs and thus didn’t have the raw power or extensive hardware required to recreate VMS properly on a PC. None the less, it is the daddy (or perhaps the grandaddy) of modern day MS server operating systems in a very real way, and still to this day, nothing matches up to VMS. That’s what happens when you believe marketing isn’t that important.
Marketing is probably more important that the bloody software actually working. “Exhibit number one your honor, Microsoft operating systems”. Adobe need to be agressively marketing the Flash platform and not just to the techies who use it, but to the managers and purse holders who will want to recommend the coolest and best solutions in board room and management meetings, without having to know what they are talking about. They’re going to do that anyway so you’d better start playing their game.
And there’s the rub. Many of these people don’t have a clue what they’re talking about and most certainly don’t listen to us, the unwashed techy masses. They just want to wander through their careers, going from power meeting to power meeting, shouting a lot of buzz words and quoting the latest Gartner or Forrester reports. They don’t understand what they’re saying, but they know that their job and their Xmas bonus is being justified if they’re hedging their bets on what ever the web and news are printing and taking credit for pushing the latest big thing.
And how do they know what the “latest big thing” is? They read Media weekly, they watch the news and they surf the web and come across useful articles like the one Reuters just published, and suddenly the fight is on again and Silverlight is just as good a solution as Flash. “In fact it’s better because we are already using MS Windows” I can hear it now, a thousand developers claping their hands to their foreheads in frustration at the blind embrace of marketing over the market advantages of comparative technical information. Who needs to talk to the techies if you have advertising to listen to? I know we can’t easily change that culture, so until it changes, let’s at least join the game.
Adobe, don’t let Flash be the next VMS. Market agressively to the management as well as the developers, to the man in the street as well as the man in the office. Loose lips might cost lives, but tight lips cost entire companies their market share.
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On August 26th, 2008 at 1:48 am
NBC using Silverlight is not a big deal or bad marketing from Adobe.
Just think about the letters MSNBC and you don’t have to wonder why NBC used an MS product ;D
On August 26th, 2008 at 4:17 am
lol, very true, however, I was really making the point that it is easy for the people who make platform and technology decisions be make them entirely on the latest buzz reported in the news or any reputable medium. They are often techno-challenged managers and only know what they hear. So adobe need to make more noise. WAY more noise in a more general sense outside of the techie sphere.
On August 26th, 2008 at 6:02 am
I just wrote a really long comment and completely did not see your anti-spam… doh!
Anyways, here were my points:
1. I do not agree with your analogy since Flash is already established. High 90% of users have it. Working towards its 10th iteration.
2. Silverlight is just a wee baby. I am sure it will gain marketshare, but it will need more than marketing to overthrow Adobe.
3. The purse holders as you mentioned don’t care what technology is being used, they just want the end result. No client has told the production house I work at which software to use for any of our work. It would be similar to me ordering a painting and telling the artist which brush to use.
4. The only way we are changing is if one tool offers something that the other does not. And in that case, I say let the best company win.
On August 26th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Interestingly, I was pleased to see that John Wilker posted in the same vein. See his post titled \”Is Adobe even trying?\” on his home page. The link to the specific post seems to have become corrupt, but essentially he is making the same point.
On August 26th, 2008 at 8:01 am
As for your points ickydime:
1. I do not agree with your analogy since Flash is already established. High 90% of users have it. Working towards its 10th iteration.
- 1. Once upon a time everyone bought IBM PCs
2. Silverlight is just a wee baby. I am sure it will gain marketshare, but it will need more than marketing to overthrow Adobe.
- 2 I wasn’t making the point that Siverlight was mature, I was simply saying it doesn’t even matter how well the software works if you market it correctly. As I said, look at Windows itself. In most respects there are many better OSs, but none are marketed as massively. If you don’t believe that marketing / propaganda work to the exclusion of all other evidence to the contrary then clearly you still believe that Saddam had WMDs
3. The purse holders as you mentioned don’t care what technology is being used, they just want the end result. No client has told the production house I work at which software to use for any of our work. It would be similar to me ordering a painting and telling the artist which brush to use.
- 3 this is a poor analogy. This is nothing like telling an artist what brush to use, not least because artists are more driven by integrity than capitalism.
As you work for a production house, the general level of technical exposure is very high as that’s what your company does. So once again, this is a poor example. None the less, developers and designers are susceptible to seeing “the emporor’s new clothes” when exposed to such marketing and the push often comes from that direction to.
4. The only way we are changing is if one tool offers something that the other does not. And in that case, I say let the best company win.
- 4 Once again, see Windows OS. It wasn’t even as good as the OS it was stolen from. You are not seriously telling me that you believe that the best company always wins?
On August 26th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
SilverLight is in a league of its own. If Adobe thinks SilverLight even bothers to compete with Flash, they are giving selves too much credit.
On August 27th, 2008 at 2:30 am
Junihor,
whilst I appreciate you offering a comment,everyone would benefit from you qualifying your statement. Genuinely. If Silverlight really does kick Flash’s ass then tell everyone how.
On August 27th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
As a Flash developer, I appreciate the (relatively) small client footprint of just using FLASH CS3 as an IDE. Microsoft requires too many components be installed to effectively work with Silverlight unless you’re part of a Microsoft shop.
However, I do have to note that I was impressed and disappointed that the Democratic National Convention was totally streamed in Silverlight. Impressed because the presentation was flawless. Disappointed because I would have thought Adobe and the Flash Platform would have been all over that event. It will be interesting to see which technology the Republicans choose next week for their shindig.
On August 28th, 2008 at 2:20 am
In the end it’s not just what you know, it’s who you know. Time for some Adobe Schmoozing.
On September 1st, 2008 at 1:13 am
Hi
I also saw that Reuters article, and after just reading your blog I had to smile - I was that developer slapping his head and slowly drawing both my hands down across my face. You got it spot on.
It’s not that either of these platforms will kill the other, I like the competition, I hope it just up’s the specs for us. My problem, as you so rightly pointed out, is as a developer I want to be working on the strongest platform from a specification and implementation point of view, where as the clients who call are all about the perception and the buzz words.
At the end of the day, as developers we give our advice, but often it’s not welcomed. After all the people holding the cheque book didn’t get to told it by admitting they know f all. So more often than not we end up doing as requested rather than what we know to be best.
lol, that was a bit of a ramble, but hay it early in the day here.
cheers
glenn
On January 9th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Hello…I’d like to…
1. Bring this topic back to life.
2. Want to know what round of the fight we’re at and who’s winning coz I’ve been busy watching other fights.
Anyway, can I just add my two pennies….I could care less about Silverlight or Flash….until Silverlight forced me to install it with some download. OK…just for that…I don’t like it….my little user brain started to hurt….I was perfectly happy to give it a “chance” but it’s like Microsoft wants me to hate them.
But just to answer ickydime on his point about the 90% market share…..yeah sure….you had IBM….what about Netscape, Alta Vista, Yahoo…there are probably companies out there who have a measely 50% market share and they’re dead and they don’t know even know it yet.
So Marketing department, wake up and learn from marketing history…
Tip 1: Don’t start a war on 2 fronts unless you have overwhelming cash.
Tip 2: Crush your opposition before it learns to walk.
There. I’m done.
DL
PS: Oh yeah, I’m sure the technology is great. Bla bla whatever.
On January 23rd, 2009 at 8:25 pm
ok, so here is yet another coupe for MS - Microsoft Silverlight Selected by Presidential Inaugural Committee to Enable Online Video Streaming of Inauguration Events (http://www.streamingmedia.com/press/view.asp?id=11126)
SERIOUSLY, someone in Adobe marketing needs to be woken up!