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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-99253</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 03:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>ok, so here is yet another coupe for MS - Microsoft Silverlight Selected by Presidential Inaugural Committee to Enable Online Video Streaming of Inauguration Events (http://www.streamingmedia.com/press/view.asp?id=11126)
SERIOUSLY, someone in Adobe marketing needs to be woken up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, so here is yet another coupe for MS - Microsoft Silverlight Selected by Presidential Inaugural Committee to Enable Online Video Streaming of Inauguration Events (http://www.streamingmedia.com/press/view.asp?id=11126)<br />
SERIOUSLY, someone in Adobe marketing needs to be woken up!
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		<title>by: Dark Lord</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-94084</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hello...I'd like to...

1. Bring this topic back to life.
2. Want to know what round of the fight we're at and who's winning coz I've been busy watching other fights.

Anyway, can I just add my two pennies....I could care less about Silverlight or Flash....until Silverlight forced me to install it with some download. OK...just for that...I don't like it....my little user brain started to hurt....I was perfectly happy to give it a &quot;chance&quot; but it's like Microsoft wants me to hate them. 

But just to answer ickydime on his point about the 90% market share.....yeah sure....you had IBM....what about Netscape, Alta Vista, Yahoo...there are probably companies out there who have a measely 50% market share and they're dead and they don't know even know it yet.

So Marketing department, wake up and learn from marketing history...

Tip 1: Don't start a war on 2 fronts unless you have overwhelming cash.
Tip 2: Crush your opposition before it learns to walk.

There. I'm done.

DL 

PS: Oh yeah, I'm sure the technology is great. Bla bla whatever. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello&#8230;I&#8217;d like to&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Bring this topic back to life.<br />
2. Want to know what round of the fight we&#8217;re at and who&#8217;s winning coz I&#8217;ve been busy watching other fights.</p>
<p>Anyway, can I just add my two pennies&#8230;.I could care less about Silverlight or Flash&#8230;.until Silverlight forced me to install it with some download. OK&#8230;just for that&#8230;I don&#8217;t like it&#8230;.my little user brain started to hurt&#8230;.I was perfectly happy to give it a &#8220;chance&#8221; but it&#8217;s like Microsoft wants me to hate them. </p>
<p>But just to answer ickydime on his point about the 90% market share&#8230;..yeah sure&#8230;.you had IBM&#8230;.what about Netscape, Alta Vista, Yahoo&#8230;there are probably companies out there who have a measely 50% market share and they&#8217;re dead and they don&#8217;t know even know it yet.</p>
<p>So Marketing department, wake up and learn from marketing history&#8230;</p>
<p>Tip 1: Don&#8217;t start a war on 2 fronts unless you have overwhelming cash.<br />
Tip 2: Crush your opposition before it learns to walk.</p>
<p>There. I&#8217;m done.</p>
<p>DL </p>
<p>PS: Oh yeah, I&#8217;m sure the technology is great. Bla bla whatever. <img src='http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Glenn Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81985</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81985</guid>
					<description>Hi

I also saw that Reuters article, and after just reading your blog I had to smile - I was that developer slapping his head and slowly drawing both my hands down across my face. You got it spot on.

It's not that either of these platforms will kill the other, I like the competition, I hope it just up's the specs for us. My problem, as you so rightly pointed out, is as a developer I want to be working on the strongest platform from a specification and implementation point of view, where as the clients who call are all about the perception and the buzz words.

At the end of the day, as developers we give our advice, but often it's not welcomed. After all the people holding the cheque book didn't get to told it by admitting they know f all. So more often than not we end up doing as requested rather than what we know to be best.

lol, that was a bit of a ramble, but hay it early in the day here. 

cheers
glenn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>I also saw that Reuters article, and after just reading your blog I had to smile - I was that developer slapping his head and slowly drawing both my hands down across my face. You got it spot on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that either of these platforms will kill the other, I like the competition, I hope it just up&#8217;s the specs for us. My problem, as you so rightly pointed out, is as a developer I want to be working on the strongest platform from a specification and implementation point of view, where as the clients who call are all about the perception and the buzz words.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, as developers we give our advice, but often it&#8217;s not welcomed. After all the people holding the cheque book didn&#8217;t get to told it by admitting they know f all. So more often than not we end up doing as requested rather than what we know to be best.</p>
<p>lol, that was a bit of a ramble, but hay it early in the day here. </p>
<p>cheers<br />
glenn
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81749</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81749</guid>
					<description>In the end it's not just what you know, it's who you know. Time for some Adobe Schmoozing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end it&#8217;s not just what you know, it&#8217;s who you know. Time for some Adobe Schmoozing.
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		<title>by: aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81723</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81723</guid>
					<description>As a Flash developer, I appreciate the (relatively) small client footprint of just using FLASH CS3 as an IDE.  Microsoft requires too many components be installed to effectively work with Silverlight unless you're part of a Microsoft shop.

However, I do have to note that I was impressed and disappointed that the Democratic National Convention was totally streamed in Silverlight.  Impressed because the presentation was flawless.  Disappointed because I would have thought Adobe and the Flash Platform would have been all over that event.  It will be interesting to see which technology the Republicans choose next week for their shindig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Flash developer, I appreciate the (relatively) small client footprint of just using FLASH CS3 as an IDE.  Microsoft requires too many components be installed to effectively work with Silverlight unless you&#8217;re part of a Microsoft shop.</p>
<p>However, I do have to note that I was impressed and disappointed that the Democratic National Convention was totally streamed in Silverlight.  Impressed because the presentation was flawless.  Disappointed because I would have thought Adobe and the Flash Platform would have been all over that event.  It will be interesting to see which technology the Republicans choose next week for their shindig.
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81677</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Junihor,

whilst I appreciate you offering a comment,everyone would benefit from you qualifying your statement. Genuinely. If Silverlight really does kick Flash's ass then tell everyone how.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Junihor,</p>
<p>whilst I appreciate you offering a comment,everyone would benefit from you qualifying your statement. Genuinely. If Silverlight really does kick Flash&#8217;s ass then tell everyone how.
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		<title>by: junihor</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81649</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81649</guid>
					<description>SilverLight is in a league of its own. If Adobe thinks SilverLight even bothers to compete with Flash, they are giving selves too much credit.</description>
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81608</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81608</guid>
					<description>As for your points ickydime:

1. I do not agree with your analogy since Flash is already established. High 90% of users have it. Working towards its 10th iteration.
- 1. Once upon a time everyone bought IBM PCs

2. Silverlight is just a wee baby. I am sure it will gain marketshare, but it will need more than marketing to overthrow Adobe.
- 2 I wasn't making the point that Siverlight was mature, I was simply saying it doesn't even matter how well the software works if you market it correctly. As I said, look at Windows itself. In most respects there are many better OSs, but none are marketed as massively. If you don't believe that marketing / propaganda work to the exclusion of all other evidence to the contrary then clearly you still believe that Saddam had WMDs

3. The purse holders as you mentioned don’t care what technology is being used, they just want the end result. No client has told the production house I work at which software to use for any of our work. It would be similar to me ordering a painting and telling the artist which brush to use.
- 3 this is a poor analogy. This is nothing like telling an artist what brush to use, not least because artists are more driven by integrity than capitalism. 
As you work for a production house, the general level of technical exposure is very high as that's what your company does. So once again, this is a poor example. None the less, developers and designers are susceptible to seeing &quot;the emporor's new clothes&quot; when exposed to such marketing and the push often comes from that direction to.

4. The only way we are changing is if one tool offers something that the other does not. And in that case, I say let the best company win. 
- 4 Once again, see Windows OS. It wasn't even as good as the OS it was stolen from. You are not seriously telling me that you believe that the best company always wins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for your points ickydime:</p>
<p>1. I do not agree with your analogy since Flash is already established. High 90% of users have it. Working towards its 10th iteration.<br />
- 1. Once upon a time everyone bought IBM PCs</p>
<p>2. Silverlight is just a wee baby. I am sure it will gain marketshare, but it will need more than marketing to overthrow Adobe.<br />
- 2 I wasn&#8217;t making the point that Siverlight was mature, I was simply saying it doesn&#8217;t even matter how well the software works if you market it correctly. As I said, look at Windows itself. In most respects there are many better OSs, but none are marketed as massively. If you don&#8217;t believe that marketing / propaganda work to the exclusion of all other evidence to the contrary then clearly you still believe that Saddam had WMDs</p>
<p>3. The purse holders as you mentioned don’t care what technology is being used, they just want the end result. No client has told the production house I work at which software to use for any of our work. It would be similar to me ordering a painting and telling the artist which brush to use.<br />
- 3 this is a poor analogy. This is nothing like telling an artist what brush to use, not least because artists are more driven by integrity than capitalism.<br />
As you work for a production house, the general level of technical exposure is very high as that&#8217;s what your company does. So once again, this is a poor example. None the less, developers and designers are susceptible to seeing &#8220;the emporor&#8217;s new clothes&#8221; when exposed to such marketing and the push often comes from that direction to.</p>
<p>4. The only way we are changing is if one tool offers something that the other does not. And in that case, I say let the best company win.<br />
- 4 Once again, see Windows OS. It wasn&#8217;t even as good as the OS it was stolen from. You are not seriously telling me that you believe that the best company always wins?
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81607</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interestingly, I was pleased to see that John Wilker posted in the same vein. See his post titled &lt;a target=\&quot;_blank\&quot; href=\&quot;http://www.johnwilker.com/j/\&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;\&quot;Is Adobe even trying?\&quot; on his home page&lt;/a&gt;. The link to the specific post seems to have become corrupt, but essentially he is making the same point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, I was pleased to see that John Wilker posted in the same vein. See his post titled <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http://www.johnwilker.com/j/\" rel="nofollow">\&#8221;Is Adobe even trying?\&#8221; on his home page</a>. The link to the specific post seems to have become corrupt, but essentially he is making the same point.
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		<title>by: ickydime</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81603</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I just wrote a really long comment and completely did not see your anti-spam... doh!

Anyways, here were my points:

1. I do not agree with your analogy since Flash is already established.  High 90% of users have it.  Working towards its 10th iteration.
2. Silverlight is just a wee baby.  I am sure it will gain marketshare, but it will need more than marketing to overthrow Adobe.
3. The purse holders as you mentioned don't care what technology is being used, they just want the end result.  No client has told the production house I work at which software to use for any of our work.  It would be similar to me ordering a painting and telling the artist which brush to use.
4. The only way we are changing is if one tool offers something that the other does not.  And in that case, I say let the best company win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wrote a really long comment and completely did not see your anti-spam&#8230; doh!</p>
<p>Anyways, here were my points:</p>
<p>1. I do not agree with your analogy since Flash is already established.  High 90% of users have it.  Working towards its 10th iteration.<br />
2. Silverlight is just a wee baby.  I am sure it will gain marketshare, but it will need more than marketing to overthrow Adobe.<br />
3. The purse holders as you mentioned don&#8217;t care what technology is being used, they just want the end result.  No client has told the production house I work at which software to use for any of our work.  It would be similar to me ordering a painting and telling the artist which brush to use.<br />
4. The only way we are changing is if one tool offers something that the other does not.  And in that case, I say let the best company win.
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		<title>by: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81592</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>lol, very true, however, I was really making the point that it is easy for the people who make platform and technology decisions be make them entirely on the latest buzz reported in the news or any reputable medium. They are often techno-challenged managers and only know what they hear. So adobe need to make more noise. WAY more noise in a more general sense outside of the techie sphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, very true, however, I was really making the point that it is easy for the people who make platform and technology decisions be make them entirely on the latest buzz reported in the news or any reputable medium. They are often techno-challenged managers and only know what they hear. So adobe need to make more noise. WAY more noise in a more general sense outside of the techie sphere.
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		<title>by: Chris H</title>
		<link>http://www.flashcoder.net/blog/?p=146#comment-81578</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>NBC using Silverlight is not a big deal or bad marketing from Adobe.
Just think about the letters MSNBC and you don't have to wonder why NBC used an MS product ;D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NBC using Silverlight is not a big deal or bad marketing from Adobe.<br />
Just think about the letters MSNBC and you don&#8217;t have to wonder why NBC used an MS product ;D
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